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I've been getting alot more into my "slackervism" lately. I think I'll probably end up calling up my representative on this one, more than just fill out an online survey.

urge your member of Congress to support the bill.

You can urge your Representative also by calling up the Congressional circuit board. You probably won't speak to your representative directly, but one of his attendants. Just tell him that you are from this region of your state and say:
"I urge you to co-sponsor and support H.R. 5843, the bi-partisan "Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008." This bill removes federal criminal penalties for the possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use, so that federal law enforcement agencies can concentrate on violent offenders and major drug traffickers."

You can look up your elected representative here.

Even if you don't smoke it, as an American taxpayer, your tax dollars are going towards the needless crimilization of personal marjiuana users, many who use it for medicinal purposes. These laws were created specifically to proscute people of color in the early 20th century, and large body of research has surfaced to show cannabis is no where near that harmfulness what earlier propganda expoused it was. These laws are antiquated and racist, and there is no reason that our money as tax payers should go to the prosecution of people who just want to smoke a joint, when it can go towards proscuting violent offenders and actual destructive drug traffic with heroine, coccaine, and crystal meth.

on 2008-07-31 08:27 pm (UTC)
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It would be amazing for this to go through, but I'm not getting my hopes up... :/ I think it would be the beginning of some much-needed reforms...

on 2008-07-31 08:29 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Well the more people we get to suppor it and know about it the more likely it will be to happen. The power of information is a very inertial force that can push a small bill into a huge reform, so you just have to make sure you put yourself in the process of calling up your representative and supporting it.

on 2008-07-31 08:33 pm (UTC)
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I will, I think. Even though it will feel completely futile, I can at least say I tried. I wonder if I can get any of my friends to do it, as well. The general consensus around here, though, is that this will be ended quickly by a veto. :( It's so backward to have laws like that, but all the old people in the government are so stuck in their ways...

on 2008-07-31 08:35 pm (UTC)
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Get as many people as possible to call up. Listening to what other people say will happen is still not taking part in the doing of it. The more people who call up the less likely it will be to be just fortotten about and passed over

on 2008-07-31 08:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
*sigh* While this would be nice.. it doesn't change the fact that bush would just veto it.. and I doubt there would be a enough support to 2/3rds majority it into law :(

on 2008-07-31 08:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Bush is too worried with the war, and veto proceedings. Plus this is getting attention on CNN, becasue there are a lot of republicans behind it (Ron Paul being one of them)

on 2008-07-31 08:53 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
So true, So true

on 2008-07-31 08:55 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
So according to this graphy Cannabis is the lowest on Depdendancy and Physical harm but that is on the level of GHB?

on 2008-07-31 09:27 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Yepper; substantially less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, though slightly worse than X. The chart was made by somebody for wikipedia based on data published in the Lancet, BTW, as far as I can tell. Here's the article I found it in:

on 2008-07-31 09:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Er, I mean liquid X. I never can keep track of what's what. Anyway, I don't know how the data used controls for real variations in the safety of dosing, etc.

Also, for the record, I don't encourage the use of any recreational drug besides caffiene, myself.

on 2008-07-31 11:20 pm (UTC)
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i work in a clinic were they have drug affenders of every kind and every one i seen that is a stoner has no brain left. granted that probably happend due to massive ammounts introduced into there bodies all the time, not to mention birth defects. just one more drug to screw you up if its legalized. i seen to many people killed and shot over this stuff,so i have quite a negativeness toward the issue of legalizing it,but even so and they do legalize it . goverment makes to mutch money busting people and the heavy fines it involes.

on 2008-07-31 11:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Well it could have also been this "stoner" might have been on other things to. I can show you papers that testify what the affects of long term cannabis use are on the brain, and it is far less drastic than long term use of other substances such as alcohol and prescription drugs. Mostly it has to do with short term memory loss.
And legalizing it will certainly lessen the violent crime surrounding it because if you get robbed while trying to buy a bag of marijuana you can't very well go to the cops about it, thus the only recourse is to take matters to your own hands.
Edited on 2008-07-31 11:26 pm (UTC)

on 2008-08-03 10:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
well i can also show paperwork on what it does. they are all bad drugs for your body .and they can cause birth defects alcohol included but if they were to legalize it in small ammounts people would just transport small ammouts and sell more. if pot is so safe it wouldnt be runing peoples lives. but with anyone responsibility with it is a big factor
some people just cant not dont just some. they go overboard and thats when it becomes a issue. and thats the people that i see at the clinic .they come in non stop all the time,every one that i hear says that was there starter drug. but you know all that aside why would someone want to smoke some shit that can damadge your body and if your female damadge your chances of having children later in life. oh grantit you can have kids but having normal ones .. you cant deny that it hurts your body, same with alcohol and other drugs. and why someone would want someting legalized that does it.

on 2008-08-03 11:12 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Paperwork? I can show you scientific studies published in peer review journals with in the last year that discuss the medical benefits of marijuana. Smoking anything is bad for you and it can damage you, but so does all that alochol you drink at cons. Its really worse in a lot of ways because alochol taxes your liver, while pot does not. Cannabis has even been shown to be anb anti-carcinigen, which means it helps prevent and fight Cancer. I could go on and on about the benefits. It seems like you have already demonized it in your mind, and you can not admit that as far as drugs go, it is benign and even helpful. Yes people fuck up their lives on it, yes there are people who get dependent, but they do that on WOW too. People go overboard on Tobacco and alochol and the internet, but that is not illegal, and is even regulated by the government. Marijuana was first made illegal for racist reasons, and much of the reason it is still illegal today is for the same racist and economic reasons.
Pot is a "starter" drug in this country only for people who don't have access to all the expensive medical presciption drugs that are a far greater plauge in this country. If Cannabis was legalized, you wouldn't have to deal with people will also sell other illegal and harmful drugs. If X-box games were illegal and you had to go to a crack dealer to buy them, then they would be a gate-way drug too.

on 2008-08-03 11:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
yeah i drink alcohol at cons. and just like weed used in high ammounts can hurt you. we have alcoholics too at the clinic .
but what i do with alcohol at cons isnt enough to damadge me. infact cons is were i mostly only drink
but this isnt about me or alcohol.
or comparing x box games to weed. (i dont play console games) you have no need to prove anything to me luv my viewpoint may not be to anyones liking but i have my reasons.

on 2008-08-03 11:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Sure you have your reasons, but they are based on extreme cases. I'm not trying to make it about you, I'm trying to point out the inconsistencies in your irrational hatred for something you've only seen the bad parts of when there are plenty of people who lead normal healthy lives who do it and are punished severely to the point of ruining their livelihoods that your tax dollars are spent to do.

on 2008-08-03 11:45 pm (UTC)
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i will try to find the article but the leesville daily leader doesnt keep many things online that they publish
i do understand the benefits of the drug and what it does to your body.
and i still dont want to vote for it.

on 2008-08-03 11:50 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Well that is your right as an American not to support. You don't as a citizen vote on House resolutions.

As long as you can concede it is not as harmful or even as destructive as legal drugs, considering the huge stigma and propaganda that was put out on it due to racist, economic reasons. If you would read them I can link all the papers that discuss its benefits, but I think you are already convinced in your mind about it no matter what I argue. But hey it is your tax dollars going to put sick people and college students in Jail, and keeping the real criminals in the corporations pockets filled. If thats the kind of country you want to still live in, it is certainly your choice.

on 2008-07-31 11:24 pm (UTC)
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Also I think your observations on stoners is a bit confounded by the clinic you work at. I mean obviously if people are going to a clinic there is something wrong with them. Your experiences then overshadow the tons of stoners that still live happy productive lives with their brains intact.
Edited on 2008-07-31 11:27 pm (UTC)

on 2008-08-03 10:39 pm (UTC)
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i have had to many friends shot and killed over this drug,the selling and buying and cultivating, but if you do it it doesnt mean i hate you or nuthin :P yur still a great firend ^>^ i just have a diffrent view thats all, has effected me mutch diffrent than it has you and everyone has there viewpoints :P

on 2008-08-03 11:06 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
I'v head friends and known people shot too... over crystal over pills, and while they were drunk. I live in one of the highest drug hubs in the south, and through people I know a lot of the people who are into the drug selling circuit. None of them have ever been shot over "just pot". I mean granted it does happen, when you are moving massive quanities of the stuff and someone gets robbed, but no Jase people don't kill one another over ounces of weed like they do crack or crystal, and I can show you statics by the DEA to back that up.
You work in a clinic for drug abusers. Don't you think that is going to color your view? You don't meet people who live happy stable, well adjusted lives who use pot. You don't meet the people who need it for medical conditions. You meet people who abuse it.


on 2008-08-04 11:39 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
my parents are both addicted to crack and are very bad off, i have more experience and knowledge of drugs and the effect of drugs than the majority of people who work in rehab clinics and with drug addicts. i know what drugs are really like and the true harmful effects of drugs, like the lives of children who will have to struggle to survive until the day they die.

i have seen kilos of marijuana change hands, bricks of crack as large as softballs, etc. i have never seen anybody, including stupid stoner teenagers, hurt themselves from smoking marijuana. the only things marijuana leads to are food and carpentry.

the last person i dealt with who worked with addicts was an EMT worker in clearwater that i met through anti-scientology protests. weed had been demonized to him until we weighed our sources and looked at things on a case by case basis.

everything is habit forming, i would say that MMORPGs have hurt my life worse than weed (or any other drug ever) will. this is fortunate, because WoW culture promotes harmful things for society where as people who are into marijuana culture do a lot for our world~ music, agriculture, art.

i mean look at furry artists. i might not be a super cool kid in the furry fandom, but I can testify that a very large majority of the more talented furry artists are marijuana smokers, and this also applies to other genres - like the weeabo anime kids, trekkies, and more.

and as far as marijuana being degenerate to society... let me tell you, personally at least, the vast number of people that i *know* who smoke are very well off people... parents of kids I work with at one of my jobs, a billionare who changed all of our lives with a certain technology...

Now having said all that, I respect your opinion. Smoking pot is not for everybody and not everybody enjoys it. However is is nobody's place to tell me or anybody else what they can and cannot put in their bodies...

And people who do not approve of the use of drugs should judge on a case by case basis...

I do not support government aided rehabilitation... I do not support the legalization of highly addictive and or deadly substances like heroin...cocaine....etc...however chemicals like LSD and MDMA should be available for recreational use /now/ as they will be in the /future/... there's no fighting the eventual legalization of marijuana...

Discussing how it's wrong is a waste of time now, I think... but anyway... the original message I wanted to post was that if you've lost a lot of friends over ANYTHING related to marijuana, they were doing it wrong, Jase. 16 years living with *real* drug dealers and *real* drug users... yeah they were doing something very wrong.

on 2008-08-03 10:41 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
it will lessen crime againt the law yes. but man against man ? i doubt it, people will still kill each other over it .

on 2008-08-03 11:02 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Ummm...people don't shoot each other over Pot Jase. and if they legalized it why would people still "shoot each other" over it. Do people shoot each other during the purchase of alochol and Tobacco? No? Well people still shoot and kill lots of people while under the inflence of alcohol. How many people shoot and kill people under the influence of pot?

on 2008-08-03 11:24 pm (UTC)
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just had a shooting here down the road over a dime sack. guy shot two people.
just like they shoot and kill people over other stuff granted. but here lately its all about the pot everywere i go its pot
my job may sckew my view on this drug yes.
but you as a user it skews your view as well.
if you were in my shoes and worked were i worked and you didnt do pot you would probably have a diffrent view. as well as i would if i was in your shoes.

on 2008-08-03 11:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
How about then you should listen to the view of Pen and Teller, neither who smoke pot, but still expose the same ideas that I do.

Regardless if you use it or not, it is still very clear to see that it is no more destructive to people's lives as legalized and prescription drugs, and in fact it is less harmful.
And I'd love to read about this so called "shooting over a dime bag" Link?

I try to have an educated opinion on everything, regarless of what the media puts out or extreme cases dictate. I've seen plent of alocholics and gambling addicts in my time too but that doesn't put me in the opinion that everyone who gambles and drinks is "messed up". You can't equate the extreme cases to be the status quo. You can't say every who does X will hence fuck up his life in Y ways.

on 2008-08-04 03:12 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
I'm sure whoever wanted to shoot someone over $10 worth of pot(a dime sack is $10 worth of pot) was more than likely on something else or pissed off about something else. Stoners don't go out killing people over such stupid things, I mean, we at least wait until you come in our house and try to take our bongs(joke, don't think that's true).

The same with these stoners who have "almost no brain left."
You have to be doing something else to chemically damage your brain, pot cannot do that much harm and it's not a drug you can overdose on(trust me I've gone to the point of smoking myself sober but didn't OD, you can't overdose on it like with alcohol and hard drugs)
*note* I'm not saying pot is a totally harmless drug as I'm sure since THC is a chemical it does some small harm but nothing near what alcohol does to your liver and brain.

Working in a clinic gives you a bias view of the extreme cases that happen with every drug.
I use to be a patient in a rehab clinic for hard dugs and I never once saw someone go in there saying."I'm addicted to pot" because it doesn't happen. Pot isn't a live ruining drug like people make it out to be. It's not addictive, it's not killing people and it's not nearly as dangerous as legal drugs like uhmm lets say Alcohol.

I could rant all day at you about how stupid it is to think pot is some terrible drug but you won't change your mind and I won't change mine, I really just needed to bitch.
I get aggravated when the only thing that makes the side affects of my cancer treatments go away is always put in this; "what a horrible drug" light.
Edited on 2008-08-04 03:14 pm (UTC)

on 2008-08-04 11:43 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
only niggers and losers that deserve to get shot buy their drugs on street corners

on 2008-08-04 04:21 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
well this is why i wont suppot,mutated sperm cells cause deformities in children, even if the male is the one using. Children born without vital organs, toes, fingers, ears... things like that. But the user is dispondent, usually lathorgic and lazy, though they will deny it, Slow responsive and reaction times, cause a lot of accidents with pot heads... stats show they have the highest accident rates even above alcholics.
and you can find those stats on the net. thats why i wont agree to it,and i did my research, the good does not outweigh the bad.

on 2008-08-04 12:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Umm so where are these stats? Because I have actually looked into DUI wrekcs with Pot versus Alochol, and I have found nothing of the sort. Please link me because I would really like to be enlightened on these "stats"
And I fail to see how you draw the comparison of smoking pot to damaged sperm cells. That makes no sense. You are just grasping for starws to make a point you've already conceeded.

on 2008-08-04 11:51 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Jase I would like to recommend two films for you. They are buy a guy called Barry Cooper who was a narcotics investigator in the state of Texas for quite a few years. He realized that the "drug war" he had been a part of is a scam that is not in place to protect you, me, children, or anybody.

The drug war is all about seizing money... He does a good job of sharing, from a sheriff's point of view, what marijuana really is.

Barry Cooper's films are Never Get Busted Again and Never Get Raided again. In these videos he teachers marijuana users and dealers to not get busted, in trouble, or hurt.

He covers more than this though, the majority of his discussion is about how they are hurting the American people over a naturally occurring weed that is America's number one cash crop. Better for our land than corn or cotton or soy, so many uses, and extremely vaulable to our economy on a foreign market. Not to mention the medical and safer-than-alcohol recreational uses.

But seriously, as I said before, I understand your stance! I respect that some people choose not to do something, but there is WAY more to the story and situations than we can cover on livejournal... and some of that story can only be seen if you're around it/look for it.

on 2008-09-10 10:05 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
stoner here.

graduated from college with and electrical engineering and math degree and have a nice job and house in new orleans now.

420 420 420

on 2008-07-31 10:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
what's khat? But yeah...Agreed. That's why it pisses me off when people get on me for smoking weed, and then get drunk all the time.:/

on 2008-08-01 02:32 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
Khat is this African or Arabian Peninsual (I think) plant that's chewed for a mild amphetamine-like effect. I'm pretty sure it's illegal most places in the states and europe, by now.

on 2008-07-31 09:08 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
I'm all for legalizing marijuana. I think as long as a drug doesn't cause intense addiction like opium or heroin and isn't harmful (relative to alcohol, maybe) then it should be legal.

Nixon's scheduling system should at least put marijuana where it SHOULD be:

Marijuana should be schedule III (or hell,even IV), not schedule I - there's no physical dependence from it and only low psychological dependence. From there you could eventually move to legalization when people realize that smoking marijuana won't lead to the downfall of Western civilization. I'd compare it to Prohibition and its rise and fall.

on 2008-07-31 10:00 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
I already wrote a very long email to my representative about this months ago, like back in May, and my representative just sent me a letter a few weeks ago saying that he's not supporting H.R. 5843. It really pissed me off so I sent him an email telling him that I will not be voting for him when his bid for re-election comes up.

on 2008-07-31 10:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile]
I'm going to get on this! >:\
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